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Theri There from 2005-11-21

Notes: A learning experience with mental shifting. (Readers have pointed out a flaw in this exercise in weird physics: the person should have fallen forward instead. But then we wouldn’t have seen xir sorry face at the end.)

Transcript:
A person struggles to carry cardboard boxes from a moving van, thinking, “These boxes of books sure are heavy. I’ll visualize my dragon form, and focus on its qualities of strength and balance!” The shining silhouette of a dragon astral form appears around xir.
The dragon picks up a box with xir forelimbs, extending xir wings and tail. Caption: “When a quadrupedal dragon rears up bipedally to carry a heavy object, xe instinctively counterbalances the burden by unfurling xir wings behind xir.” This is illustrated with a old-fashioned balancing scales, sitting level.
Caption: “Phantom wings (weighing nothing) are an ineffective counterweight to lean against.” The weight vanishes from one side of the scales, and they collapse to the other. The dragon otherkin falls over, spilling the box.
Under a pile of textbooks such as “Physics 101” and “Qi Gong,” the dragon kin says, “I shouldn’t try a mental shift like that if I’m ever on a tightrope,” and then mutters, “Balance indeed!”

[Edit 2017-04-03: Updated link.]

Date: 2005-11-21 02:26 am (UTC)
kistaro: A crystalline dragon. (chromatic self)
From: [personal profile] kistaro
Of course, your tags and title are more than enough for me to know exactly what's depicted in the comic- I remember you describing it on your LiveJournal a while back! We'll find out if I'm right once the comic comes up, of course...

Date: 2005-11-21 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_intropy_/
Me too :D Well, I can guess, especially since Kistaro posted.

I may recently have had a similar event. I was manifesting phantom wings heavily (even though they aren't something I associate my form with having, I still experience them quite a bit) and walked by a bookshelf in my house. I could have sworn I was a good three feet away, but all this stuff came cascading off the shelf behind me.

I'm not ready to chalk it up to "OMG phantome winges!" because I suppose it's possible I was close enough to the shelf to knock things off, but.

Date: 2005-11-22 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_intropy_/
Hah! Okay, I guessed wrong. I was remembering an incident another member here had had with phantom limbs interacting with the landscape as if they were physically present.

On the other hand, wrong guessed seem to generate discussion :D

Date: 2005-11-21 07:00 am (UTC)
zeeth_kyrah: A glowing white and blue anthropomorphic horse stands before a pink and blue sky. (Default)
From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
Just as a suggestion, you might want to find out what to name the 404.html file for your comic site. That way, if something's missing, you can have the server show a page saying "The comic goes up on Monday, and if you're looking for something else, it's not here."

Date: 2005-11-21 03:22 pm (UTC)
zeeth_kyrah: A glowing white and blue anthropomorphic horse stands before a pink and blue sky. (Default)
From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
That's terribly unfortunate. I've always thought that the 404 page on a good website should be more useful than 'file not found' (though on some websites, one short line of text would be a damn sight better than what they put in).

Date: 2005-11-21 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dinogrrl.livejournal.com
I think you can, actually. I was poking around in the files for my webcomic and found some 'page error/missing' ones listed. I'd imagine all you'd have to do is make your own and replace the ones already there >>. I haven't tried it though so I'm not sure if that works or not.

Date: 2005-11-21 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] micha-forrest.livejournal.com
my tail has knocked stuff off shelfs and pressed buttons before too... it's really weird when you're in a room and suddenly the VCR turns on and you havn't touched it or a remote.

will read comic and may post again.

Date: 2005-11-21 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvernyte.livejournal.com
or it could just be weirdness... I had one TV that'd randomly go on and off on it's own ONLY when it was placed in a specific corner of a specific room. I ended up having my dad move the stand it was on so it was about two feet away from that spot and it stopped randomly turning off and on.

granted, if you REALLY want weird technology my old computer, May'ree, takes the cake.

I had her for 6 years and she was quite out of date and buggy at the end. I called her a piece of shit in a chatroom and Windows Explorer shut right down and refused to start up again no matter how many times I restarted and how long I let the computer sit.

after three hours of no luck I grew so desprate I patted the tower and apologized to the computer for calling her a piece of shit, hit the power button... and it started up perfectly... she even ran better than usual that day o.O;;;

Date: 2005-11-21 09:32 am (UTC)
laurenthemself: Rainbow rose with words 'love as thou wilt' below in white lettering (Default)
From: [personal profile] laurenthemself
It's Monday evening here and the comic still ain't showing.

I HATE being the one who's way way ahead of everyone else, time-zone wise.

Date: 2005-11-21 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ngarewyrd.livejournal.com
I hear ya with that complaint, Stupid Timezones =8(

Date: 2005-11-21 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slupine.livejournal.com
Phantom limbs CAN do some interesting things, even if they can't counterweight you. Though actually, I have found that sometimes I CAN balance myself with the help of them. The thing that I used to do before a fencing match kinda weirded people out though, I think.

See, I kinda ruined part of my back in middle school by carrying an overloaded bookbag. Nobody told me it was bad for me before it was too late. So now my upper back and shoulders are stiff quite often (though part of that is also because I hold a lot of tension there when I'm stressed). Normal stretching doesn't always work. But when I happen to be in a form that has wings (sometimes I can make them appear at the time, sometimes not) I'll cross my arms over behind my back, grab each wing, and pull it to stretch it out along with the rest of my back. That seems to help.

Of course I also weirded people out when I meditated before practice. I'd be all quiet off in a corner, some people would be standing there not noticing me, and when as soon as I was ready to fight I'd pop up and freak them all out. lol Not my intent, but the result was funny....

*ahem* Off-topicness, sorry.

Date: 2005-11-23 10:15 am (UTC)
zeeth_kyrah: A glowing white and blue anthropomorphic horse stands before a pink and blue sky. (Default)
From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
Head judge: "Match awarded to number four-seven-six. Next up, numbers three-three-two and five-four-two."

You: *hops to feet, foil in hand* "Make ready!"

ALL: "WAUGH!" *falls over*

Friend, from beside you: "Where'd you come from!?"

Date: 2005-11-29 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slupine.livejournal.com
Hehe. Nice thought, but we don't use foils. I fence duello and those things'd break in our style. We get a little rough. Man I want my strength back... haven't had time to fence for a few months and my arms feel like noodles now.

Date: 2005-11-21 02:53 pm (UTC)
ext_129608: (Default)
From: [identity profile] cloakable.livejournal.com
Huh. I know the technique, but I've never had the problem. Mabye because I could do either biped or quadruped?

Date: 2005-11-21 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ridayah.livejournal.com
Very clever Orion, very clever. :) I know with me, I used to (and sometimes still do) have a habit of rearing up on the balls of my feet, and walking like that. It's usually subconscious and while looking cool, as a side effect it's rather hard to stay upright for long. ^.^;

Date: 2005-11-22 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] micha-forrest.livejournal.com
as do i, walking on your toes rather than your heel puts less straing on your knees and is good for a stretch but it does become tiresome.

personally i do use my phantom tail for keeping balence on some things, it only works like 40% of the time though.

Date: 2005-11-22 11:19 am (UTC)
ext_129608: (Default)
From: [identity profile] cloakable.livejournal.com
Heh. I tend to do that quite often.

It's not really a strain anymore - my calf muscles have built up quite a bit.

Date: 2005-11-21 03:41 pm (UTC)
zeeth_kyrah: A glowing white and blue anthropomorphic horse stands before a pink and blue sky. (Draco ferios)
From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
Very nice. Of course, that's quadruped.

Random reader

Date: 2005-11-21 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dirtworshipper.livejournal.com
I came across your comic and just wanted to say I love the artwork, and even though I had never heard the term "therianthrope" before, what I've read on your site is interesting. As a Pagan, I understand the dynamics of an astral appendage even though I have none (as far as I know).

Re: Random reader

Date: 2005-11-22 05:35 am (UTC)
zeeth_kyrah: A glowing white and blue anthropomorphic horse stands before a pink and blue sky. (Another pretty face)
From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
Many pagans do not, however; you're lucky.

Date: 2005-11-21 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawthornegem.livejournal.com
I'm not entirely sure about the whole wings thing (while I do have them, I've never thought about using them as a counterweight for things), but I've used my tail plenty of times as a counterbalance and have had decent results. Then again, I'm pratty sure there are all sorts of technicalities in why one works over the other, or why it doesn't.... but yeah.

::puts her two cents into the jar and sits back down with the rest of the group::

Date: 2005-11-22 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_intropy_/
Likewise. I've had good luck using my tail as a counterbalance, but I haven't tried to balance with other limbs. I don't really know why one works and the other doesn't...it could be as simple as that my "phantom tail" is using real muscles in my lower-back that are used in humans for balance.

Date: 2005-11-21 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverscalenaga.livejournal.com
cant say ive had any part of me that "isnt here" mess with things. only had things here affect my hood. i dont have too much a problem with any other potential limbs i could project from another form.

Date: 2005-11-21 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zuki-san.livejournal.com
heee! I like today's comic--while I may be lacking in "Did my wings do that? O.o" stories, I can still relate to this, a bit.

I am extremely amused that the book atop our dragon's head is Physics 101. So deliberate, Orion. ^.=.^

I also get the imprthat the dragon in question might have bent xis knees a bit, and/or went up on the balls of his feet when shifting. The pose of the dragon in panel 4 suggests it to me--or more likely, it's something I do when imagining myself dragon.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's the best "carrying heavy weights" stance for flat-footed bipeds, wings to counterbalance or not. ^_^
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If I believed that anything, ah, significant was happening when I imagine myself dragon, I can easily see myself trying something like this...possibly with similiar results.

As it is, it's not something I'm in the practice of consciously calling up...often*. More like a mood or a mental state that, when I notice it, I will usually focus on and try to heighten. Usually said feeling creeps up on me when I'm alone (or feeling alone, regardless of crowds about), in a good mood, and....hmm. Some third quality that I'll work out just what it is later.

Point is, it tends to happen in libraries. There's something about the solitude, the mental attitude adopted when I leisurely hunt down a book, or just browse along the shelves, and the knowledge that I'm pacing through shelf after shelf of knowledge and I'll never get to read it all...

Well, it tends to put me in a draconic mood, and it has since high school. For that matter, finishing a good book or story can have the same effect. I will unashamedly admit, I get a high off of the right book.( or some other kind of literature. or a good discussion.)

Why am I bringing this up? Why is it vaguely topical? Why, because the dragon's carrying a great big box of books. ^_^
~~~~~~~~
* I realized an exception to this statement while I was writing. I have two semi-notable "phantom limb" habits. One, sometimes I'll put wings on my back just to flap or stretch them out, then refold. You can see grazing canada geese do it, and other birds too, I imagine. It might be a sign of slight agitation, or fidgeting.

The other thing I'll do is put wings on my back when I really want to move--a long haul on my bicycle or a dash off to class or somewhere else. I'll imagine them there, catching the wind and pushing me along, faster.

(warning! Tangent ahead.)

I'm not in good physical shape, but I do love a good run--or a chase. And several other forms of physical activity besides (dancing, DDR, some martial arts--anything I can lose myself in focusing on.)

Joy in motion. I suppose that's something else that brings out the dragon in me. *thinks that sounds very cliche, but couldn't find a better phrasing. Everything else had too many awkward qualifiers*

--And that concludes another semi-topical, self-referential, rambling post by Zuki.

Date: 2005-11-21 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dinogrrl.livejournal.com
heehee :} Can't say I've ever tried to do that, but I've tried to 'meatloaf' like a cat before and been very disappointed that my legs wouldn't tuck underneath my body.

BTW, you'd actually fall forward with the box, not backward, if the counterweight behind you suddenly disappeared. Unless you were holding the box over your head or something so that it'd make you fall backwards. ;}

Date: 2005-12-06 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/taren_/
Hi there, I just found the comic as well. I'm not sure if we ever met on Draconic, but I'm pretty sure I remember seeing your name there. I read all the comics today and I could say it's reviving that therian side of me I've been neglecting for a long time.

I was scanning through the comments to see if what I had to say had already been said. Guess it has. The lack of a counterweight would make the victim fall forward instead of backward. Maybe that would explain why the Physics book is in the box, and consequently why it wound up on the person's face: "READ ME!"

Mind if I add you?

Date: 2005-11-22 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalanco.livejournal.com
Heh, nice.

Date: 2005-11-22 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kanti-pimpslap.livejournal.com
Ah -- phantom limbs. Phenomenal, but sometimes inconvenient when your memory and commen sense run short. xx; At times I'll wake up feeling very wolf-like, and with phantom paws I'll want to walk out of bed hands-first, forgetting where the floor actually is.

Date: 2005-11-25 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roycalbeck.livejournal.com
Never thought of myself as a theri (and I still don't), but I have no problem imagining various limbs, tail, wings, etc, and most commonly make "use" of them with my musical daydreaming.

By that, I don't mean I whistle or hum or anything. For me, visualization keys very directly to solid music. I have, for example, a number of "interactive cartoons" that I engage myself in mentally when listening to the soundtrack from "Heavy Metal". Sammy Hagar's title track is exceptionally conducive to a sequence moving from a "power-up" style of transformation into a highly acrobatic battle scene. "True Companion" is for relaxed, languid gliding. With "The Mob Rules", I lead a citizen's revolt of theris against a corrupt government. Don Felder's "Taking a Ride" is a draconic romance theme. And so on.

In all of this, I can feel every movement...the wind shrieking across my wingbones, the length of steel in my hand, the curling of tail around a pole to arrest forward motion. Hooves moving so fast only the leading tips touch the floorboards.

I listen to music a lot. -:)

Phantom failure

Date: 2005-11-25 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerynn.livejournal.com
Can oft-times be quite embarassing when you jump like you have a tail, and physical reality outweighs your conviction. Quote: "I thought cats were supposed to be graceful..."

Date: 2005-11-27 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scale.livejournal.com
Hello! Just discovered the comic, it's a quite interesting idea. Also it's very nice that you have linked it so closely with related discussion on the LJ.

Date: 2005-11-28 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] windfeathercat.livejournal.com
Discovered the comic from a link from a therian message board, and I love it. Once NaNoWriMo is over, I'm likely to end up trying to help with guest comics and such, because I am now being mauled by ideas.

Thanks for writing this. It's all lovely art and a pleasure to read ^^

Oh, and one this I didn't see on the FAQ, I'm seeing a lot of words like Xir and Xe, that I think are being used are pronouns, but I'm not sure. What are those?