Hee hee, I like. The deer guy actually articulates my philosophy pretty well... however, if it had to do with my 'kin self, I would eat a LOT more fish. Since I don't eat any.
I very much like this. I've had serious philosophical conversations with friends, and other vegetarian friends, regarding why I could or could not eat vat-grown meat, ethically, as a dragon. And how much I miss hunting but why I'd not do it with a gun.
vat grown meat? does that exist? 0_o even so, it would make for interesting discussion concerning ethics :) do you not hunt with a gun so you're more fairly matched with your prey?
In term of diet, I would be very much eating like the cougar...if the animals weren't mistreated in life like they so often are. And if I wasn't dating a veggie. XD Teh LOL.
I'm in the area of needing to eat meat, for the protien... but I desperately wish I could afford to eat only free-range or small-farm meat, animals that I know were raised under ethical conditions. As it is, I eat hamburger patties from CostCo and feel guilty. :/
I relate to the bear, more on terms of eating whatever I see, even though my most prominant otherkin is equine based O.o Go figure...
As for the raw meat thing, there's a Korean dish that uses raw meat as a dip of sorts, it looks fo freakin' good. You could probably google it, but I'll also look it up in my cookbook and post it, if I remember... >.>
Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention this the first time I decided to leave comments:
I think it's mildly awesome that you're a deer. Most therians I've noted the existence of seem to all be predatory animals. I'm not trying to hold you up as an object or something, but...well, you're a reminder of diversity to me.
Incidentally, I enjoy joking that, were I a proper dragon, I would ravage entire orchards.
LOVE the end panels! (LOL) I would SO be in on that chase! As an omnivorous Vulpine, I sometimes lean more towards one food or another, but I'm finding out the Draconic side ISN'T as happy with some of those choices as it used to be... I'm finding I can't do large helpings of pasta, for instance... but I still LOVE a good lasagna! (whaaaa!)
Would someone tell me what part of any animistic persona I may have is the one responsible for my love of Italian food? 'Cause you sure don't see much in the wild in the way of pasta, mozzarella, tomato sauce or a good vino! -:D
Wow, another update! I need to come back and start checking more often--and I'm glad you finally got a knotty script worked out, because I'm definitely liking this comic.
I like the fact that this comic portrays people applying their therian nature to their actions and beliefs in the rest of their life. When it's a spirituality (or-what-have-you) that's so personal and open to intepretation, I would think that choosing to, well, 'act it out' is what makes it more real and concrete. Being mindful of one's other side during ones daily life makes the connection stronger.
I like the short criticism that the deer-therian gives to the cougar therian. Sometimes the actions that people take in connection with their therian-ness or otherkin-ness can seem silly, petty, or arbitrary. That's not quite why the deer brings it up, I think but it is sort of part of that trend.
Like the way, oh, I remember back on the draconic.com boards there might be a discussion about sleeping positions, and a consensus might be "I don't like to sleep on my back. Maybe it's because I think I'm supposed to have wings there." And then, later, it occured to me that...most people I know, for that matter, prefer to sleep on their stomach and side, [i]anyways[/i]. So is it a moot point? Perhaps not, if one has a raging case of Phantom Wing Syndrome.
I like that you included another viewpoint with the dragon as well. Therianthropy extends to all sorts of people, even those of us with, say, diabetes, or a severe allergy to wheat products, for example. Deer looks so sheepish that she's been flaunting the ability to choose when confronted with someone that can't.
And Bear got what was coming to him, Mr. Nondescriminatorly Omnivorous. Great use of facial expression in the second to last panel to show the sudden change of mood. A sudden alliance of stag and cougar. I am amused, yes.
A friend of mine led me here, and I just had to say I rather enjoyed this comic. :D I've been in this kind of conversation multiple times, and have argued it from at least two different sides. Currently, though, I'd have to side with the bear, even if I'm fairly rabbity in most other aspects. I hope that won't get me drummed out of here. ;)
It's obvious that you've carefully considered all of the arguments, because it's insanely difficult to get something like that down to a concise sentence or two in the panel of a comic strip, and still have them come off as eloquent and non-trivial. The dialogue is very well done! I think I've found another comic to read as part of my morning ritual. Oh dear. =:)
There's nothing wrong with being like the bear in this comic. Most people are like that.
The concise writing did take a lot of revision. I'm really glad it's appreciated, since it took longer than any other step. As with some of the other comics, I kept thinking the script was tight enough... until I tried to draw it, and then I found out that there was a lot less room for chatter than I'd expected.
I do have to wonder if I'm the only one who noticed the logo on the bear's shirt as strongly resembling a vague silhouette of a bear with an arrow from mouth to stomach, possibly the best emblem of "I Eat Anything" I've ever seen. Was that, indeed, intentional?
The arrow from mouth to stomach may also represent living breath as well as the need to eat, since that's what it is in some similar Native American symbols. I'm not sure; that's just how it looks. Despite the bear symbol's frequent representation in gift shops, I haven't read a decent explanation of what it means, or exactly which Native American culture it comes from. (I wouldn't expect gift shops to be of any authority on the subject.) I'm guessing that The Sacred Paw probably tells about it at length, since that book is all about bear mythology. That's still on my "books to read eventually" list.
Nobody's pointed out the significance of the emblem on the deer therian's sweater yet, along with a few other background details that have been missed.
Wonderful cartooning, just wonderful! The point is so well developed too. It makes me think how I never ever wanted to eat meat, ever from the moment I was told it was a dead animal. If it weren't for moments of physiological necessity demanding my specific needs in this manifestation, I know I'd never have eaten any. What does that make me? I thought I was a mouse, but I think they eat omnivorously too. I've been called a dove. It remains to be discovered!
LOL as a vegetarian dragon, I find this very apt - poor bear! There are so many choices for an animal in a human body (assuming no special dietary requirements).
I don't object to the eating of meat so much as the way humans often treat it (the animals). I think hunting for or farming your own food is very natural, but too many people happily eat pre-prepared and disguised meat from shops without really considering *what* it is. As long as people have respect for their food and for others' opinions, or have no choice, I don't hold their diet against them.
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Date: 2006-02-13 01:10 am (UTC)I really do love how you try to show all sides of an issue. :)
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Date: 2006-02-13 02:29 am (UTC)Needs more salt, but its pretty good!
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Date: 2006-02-13 02:30 am (UTC)Very telling comic strip today. Animal-person diets. ;)
Loved the strip!
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Date: 2006-02-13 08:35 am (UTC)even so, it would make for interesting discussion concerning ethics :)
do you not hunt with a gun so you're more fairly matched with your prey?
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Date: 2006-02-13 04:13 am (UTC)mmm...animal flesh....
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Date: 2006-02-13 11:48 am (UTC)Nice work. Your drawing isn't too bad, either :P
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Date: 2006-02-13 05:52 pm (UTC)As for the raw meat thing, there's a Korean dish that uses raw meat as a dip of sorts, it looks fo freakin' good. You could probably google it, but I'll also look it up in my cookbook and post it, if I remember... >.>
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Date: 2006-02-14 04:14 am (UTC)Good comic.
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Date: 2006-02-27 08:00 am (UTC)I think it's mildly awesome that you're a deer. Most therians I've noted the existence of seem to all be predatory animals. I'm not trying to hold you up as an object or something, but...well, you're a reminder of diversity to me.
Incidentally, I enjoy joking that, were I a proper dragon, I would ravage entire orchards.
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Date: 2006-02-14 09:42 am (UTC)*laughs*
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Date: 2006-02-16 07:29 pm (UTC)I like the fact that this comic portrays people applying their therian nature to their actions and beliefs in the rest of their life. When it's a spirituality (or-what-have-you) that's so personal and open to intepretation, I would think that choosing to, well, 'act it out' is what makes it more real and concrete. Being mindful of one's other side during ones daily life makes the connection stronger.
I like the short criticism that the deer-therian gives to the cougar therian. Sometimes the actions that people take in connection with their therian-ness or otherkin-ness can seem silly, petty, or arbitrary. That's not quite why the deer brings it up, I think but it is sort of part of that trend.
Like the way, oh, I remember back on the draconic.com boards there might be a discussion about sleeping positions, and a consensus might be "I don't like to sleep on my back. Maybe it's because I think I'm supposed to have wings there." And then, later, it occured to me that...most people I know, for that matter, prefer to sleep on their stomach and side, [i]anyways[/i]. So is it a moot point? Perhaps not, if one has a raging case of Phantom Wing Syndrome.
I like that you included another viewpoint with the dragon as well. Therianthropy extends to all sorts of people, even those of us with, say, diabetes, or a severe allergy to wheat products, for example. Deer looks so sheepish that she's been flaunting the ability to choose when confronted with someone that can't.
And Bear got what was coming to him, Mr. Nondescriminatorly Omnivorous. Great use of facial expression in the second to last panel to show the sudden change of mood. A sudden alliance of stag and cougar. I am amused, yes.
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Date: 2006-02-17 02:52 pm (UTC)It's obvious that you've carefully considered all of the arguments, because it's insanely difficult to get something like that down to a concise sentence or two in the panel of a comic strip, and still have them come off as eloquent and non-trivial. The dialogue is very well done! I think I've found another comic to read as part of my morning ritual. Oh dear. =:)
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Date: 2006-02-18 01:23 am (UTC)There's nothing wrong with being like the bear in this comic. Most people are like that.
The concise writing did take a lot of revision. I'm really glad it's appreciated, since it took longer than any other step. As with some of the other comics, I kept thinking the script was tight enough... until I tried to draw it, and then I found out that there was a lot less room for chatter than I'd expected.
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Date: 2006-02-18 01:46 am (UTC)The arrow from mouth to stomach may also represent living breath as well as the need to eat, since that's what it is in some similar Native American symbols. I'm not sure; that's just how it looks. Despite the bear symbol's frequent representation in gift shops, I haven't read a decent explanation of what it means, or exactly which Native American culture it comes from. (I wouldn't expect gift shops to be of any authority on the subject.) I'm guessing that The Sacred Paw probably tells about it at length, since that book is all about bear mythology. That's still on my "books to read eventually" list.
Nobody's pointed out the significance of the emblem on the deer therian's sweater yet, along with a few other background details that have been missed.
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Date: 2006-02-28 01:13 am (UTC)I don't object to the eating of meat so much as the way humans often treat it (the animals). I think hunting for or farming your own food is very natural, but too many people happily eat pre-prepared and disguised meat from shops without really considering *what* it is. As long as people have respect for their food and for others' opinions, or have no choice, I don't hold their diet against them.